Nathaniel Mackey in conversation with Charles Bernstein. Mackey discusses his key concepts "discrepant engagement" and "paracritical hinge," his engagement with Lorca's concept of "duende," the use of cultural references in his work, his mode of composition and its relation to improvisation, as well as his approach to performance and poetic rhythm. Nathaniel Mackey, who for many years taught at Santa Cruz, is now a professor at Duke. He is the editor of the literary magazine Hambone and co-editor (with Art Lange) of the anthology Moment's Notice: Jazz in Poetry and Prose (Coffee House Press, 1993). He has two books of essays, Discrepant Engagement: Dissonance, Cross-Culturality, and Experimental Writing and Paracritical Hinge: Essays, Talks, Notes, Interviews.