Artist Martin Wilner heeds Phong's desires and discusses, at implicit distance, his two most well-known works, The Journal of Evidence Weekly and Making History. They also discuss their shared time during Golden Days of Williamsburg, when Wilner designed his distinctive cover for the April-May 2003 issue of The Brooklyn Rail, a work emblematic of his unique pen-and-ink style, which draws influence primarily from his autodidactism but also from MAD Magazine, Pop Art and his reaction against Abstract Expressionism, much as he admires it. Much of his work takes from his interest in Freudian and Jungian psychoanalysis, notable particularly in his depictions of dreams, Judaic beliefs and notions and constructions of contemporary and historical events.

This interview was recorded during Wilner's 2009 exhibition More Drawings About History and Evidence at Brooklyn's Pierogi 2000 (37 minutes).